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The Christian Onslaught
by satinka in*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.
i have been wondering things like:.
hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.
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The Christian Onslaught
by satinka in*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.
i have been wondering things like:.
hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.
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Godrulz, Post #394:
Your points have been answered over and over elsewhere. e.g. not evening recognizing a figure of speech is a rookie mistake. I know the Bible is the Word of God and will stand up to scrutiny. I also know that if I systematically answered you, you would dismiss it or come up with more refuted points (whack a mole).
No they have not been properly answered. Definitely not the ones I have selected which are the ones most dodged by those like you. And why are you even posting at all on any Biblical subject when the same thing applies to YOU on ANY subject. It's all been "answered over and over elsewhere."
Bottom line, you cannot even face a basic challenge. So I present it on this thread for all lurkers to see your lack of answer:
1. Will the real 10 Commandments please stand up? (Ex 20:1-17/34:1-27)
2. How the former slaves of Israel treated their own slaves.
a. Non Israelites taken as slaves for life. (Lv 25:44-46)
b. A Hebrew slave was obligated for only six years of slavery but had to leave behind the wife his master gave him alongwith his children. (Ex 21:2-6; De 15:12-18)
c. An ‘eye for an eye’ did not apply when they took their slaves eye out. (Ex 21:26,27 compare to Lv 24:19-21)
d. They could beat their slave savagely with a stick so long as he or she did not die within a day or two. (Ex 21:20,21 compare to Ex 2:11,12)
3. Exterminate thy neighbors. (Lev 19:18)
a. All of them some of the time. (De 3:1-6)
b. Men only at other times. Women and children are considered plunder. (De 20:10-18)
c. Everyone except virgin girls when the mood strikes. (Nu 31:13-18)
4. How the Israelites treated their ladies.
- They executed the victim of rape if she was engaged to be married. (De 22:23,24)
- They forced the victim of rape to marry her rapist if she was single. (De 22:28,29)
- She’s got some balls. Women get their hands cut off for defending their husbands. (De 25:11,12)
- A man could sell his daughter into slavery. (Ex 21:7-11)
5. God cannot see well. (Gen 18:20,21De 23:13,14)
6. God has a lot of trouble counting.(Mt 10:30)
a. King David kills 700 charioteers and 40,000 horsemen or is it 7,000 charioteers and 40,000 foot soldiers?(2Sa 10:18/1Ch 19:18)
b. Only one major sin for King David or two?(1Ki 15:5/2Sa 24:10-13)
c. Seven years of famine or three? (2Sa 24:11-13/1Ch 21:9-12)
d. King David kills 18,000 Edomites, or is it 12,000? (1Ch 18:12/Ps 60 title)
e. King Solomon’s slave supervisors number 550 or 250? (1Ki 9:23/2Ch 8:10)
f. A talent for exaggeration. (1Ch 22:14)
7. God Unmighty! (Jg 1:19)
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The Christian Onslaught
by satinka in*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.
i have been wondering things like:.
hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.
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Godrulz, Post #393:
"baby: your heart is rebelling against God so it does not surprise me you despise his follower."
Make that two of us, God'sruler.
By the way, are you ignoring my posted outline on the moral obscenities and contradictions of the Bible?
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And The Nations Will Fall (The Slave)
by Este indaniel 2:44.
44 in the time of those kings, the god of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people.
it will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.
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Bin Laden is not dead, he was placed into a medically induced coma and the whole incident was staged. Do you believe this? I find it hard to believe, so why do I post this? Because I am instructed to do so.......what will the end result be and what is the meaning of what I post?
Psychotic minds would like to know.
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Which type of "Apostate" is worse? An Atheist/Agnostic or one who joins a New Organized Religion?
by QuestioningEverything insorry, i posted this in another section.
meant to put it here.. just wondering which kind is worse to active jw's?
my aunt used to be a jw but now she is a mormon.
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QuestioningEverything, Post #418:
"Just wondering which kind is worse to active JW's? My Aunt used to be a JW but now she is a Mormon. I used to be a JW but now I am Agnostic."
From the point of view of Jehovah's Witnesses, in general, Fundamentalist Christians are feared much more than Atheist/Agnostics. Although Mormons are technically Fundamentalists, they are too "exotic" and out in the fringe to qualify as much of a danger.
One can use the Coke & Pepsi vs 7 Up & Mountain Dew. There is far more competition between look-alikes that there is between un-alikes. Coke drinkers are more likely to be convinced to drink Pepsi than 7 Up and vice a versa.
The same principle applies in evolutionary competition. There is more competition amongst animals and plants in identical or overlapping niches (ecological lifestyle) than there are between different niches. Two creatures in the same general environment, let's say treetops, will clash with each other over resources much more than two creatures in different locations; such as treetop vs ground dwellers.
In similar manner, Fundamentalists, are more similar to JWs than either are to atheists. Both of them have little to fear from atheists (in small numbers) proselityzing their own but are more defensive against each other.
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The Bible - is it really the GOOD Book - if so why?
by cantleave inafterall , it condones murder, genocide, infanticide and a plethora of other nasty things.
it is contradictory and unscientific.. hell; lets be honest it's hard to read and harder to understand.. so why is it called the good book?.
discuss!.
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The Bible - is it really the GOOD Book - if so why NOT?
1. Will the real 10 Commandments please stand up? (Ex 20:1-17/34:1-27)
2. How the former slaves of Israel treated their own slaves.
a. Non Israelites taken as slaves for life. (Lv 25:44-46)
b. A Hebrew slave was obligated for only six years of slavery but had to leave behind the wife his master gave him along with his children. (Ex 21:2-6; De 15:12-18)
c. An ‘eye for an eye’ did not apply when they took their slaves eye out. (Ex 21:26,27 compare to Lv 24:19-21)
d. They could beat their slave savagely with a stick so long as he or she did not die within a day or two. (Ex 21:20,21 compare to Ex 2:11,12)
3. Exterminate thy neighbors. (Lev 19:18)
a. All of them some of the time. (De 3:1-6)
b. Men only at other times. Women and children are considered plunder. (De 20:10-18)
c. Everyone except virgin girls when the mood strikes. (Nu 31:13-18)
4. How the Israelites treated their ladies.
- They executed the victim of rape if she was engaged to be married. (De 22:23,24)
- They forced the victim of rape to marry her rapist if she was single. (De 22:28,29)
- She’s got some balls. Women get their hands cut off for defending their husbands. (De 25:11,12)
- A man could sell his daughter into slavery. (Ex 21:7-11)
5. Lot’s horny daughters. (Gen 19:30-36)
6. God cannot see well. (Gen 18:20,21De 23:13,14)
7. God has a lot of trouble counting. (Mt 10:30)
a. King David kills 700 charioteers and 40,000 horsemen or is it 7,000 charioteers and 40,000 foot soldiers? (2Sa 10:18/1Ch 19:18)
b. Only one major sin for King David or two? (1Ki 15:5/2Sa 24:10-13)
c. Seven years of famine or three? (2Sa 24:11-13/1Ch 21:9-12)
d. King David kills 18,000 Edomites, or is it 12,000? (1Ch 18:12/Ps 60 title)
e. King Solomon’s slave supervisors number 550 or 250? (1Ki 9:23/2Ch 8:10)
f. A talent for exaggeration. (1Ch 22:14)
8. God Unmighty! (Jg 1:19)
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A question for Evangelical Christians. Would you support this?
by Terra Incognita inamericans role seen in uganda anti-gay push .
comments(520) adxinfo classification="button120x60" campaign="foxsearch2011_emailtools_1629901c_nyt5"by jeffrey gettleman .
published: january 3, 2010nyt_inline_image_position1 kampala, uganda last march, three american evangelical christians, whose teachings about curing homosexuals have been widely discredited in the united states, arrived here in ugandas capital to give a series of talks.. skip to next paragraphenlarge this imagemarc hofer for the new york timesnikki mawanda, 27, who was born female but lives as a trans-man in uganda, described abuse by the police and others.. multimediainteractive featurefour ugandans, four points of viewrelatedgay in uganda, and feeling hunted (january 4, 2010)times topics: ugandaarticle comments includeenlarge this imagemarc hofer for the new york timesdemonstrators carried banners denouncing homosexuality in december in kampala, uganda.. enlarge this imagemarc hofer for the new york timesstosh mugisha is going through a transition to become a man.
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A question for Evangelical Christians. Would you support this?
by Terra Incognita inamericans role seen in uganda anti-gay push .
comments(520) adxinfo classification="button120x60" campaign="foxsearch2011_emailtools_1629901c_nyt5"by jeffrey gettleman .
published: january 3, 2010nyt_inline_image_position1 kampala, uganda last march, three american evangelical christians, whose teachings about curing homosexuals have been widely discredited in the united states, arrived here in ugandas capital to give a series of talks.. skip to next paragraphenlarge this imagemarc hofer for the new york timesnikki mawanda, 27, who was born female but lives as a trans-man in uganda, described abuse by the police and others.. multimediainteractive featurefour ugandans, four points of viewrelatedgay in uganda, and feeling hunted (january 4, 2010)times topics: ugandaarticle comments includeenlarge this imagemarc hofer for the new york timesdemonstrators carried banners denouncing homosexuality in december in kampala, uganda.. enlarge this imagemarc hofer for the new york timesstosh mugisha is going through a transition to become a man.
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Americans’ Role Seen in Uganda Anti-Gay Push
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Published: January 3, 2010
KAMPALA, Uganda — Last March, three American evangelical Christians, whose teachings about “curing” homosexuals have been widely discredited in the United States, arrived here in Uganda’s capital to give a series of talks.
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Marc Hofer for The New York Times Stosh Mugisha is going through a transition to become a man. The theme of the event, according to Stephen Langa, its Ugandan organizer, was “the gay agenda — that whole hidden and dark agenda” — and the threat homosexuals posed to Bible-based values and the traditional African family.
For three days, according to participants andaudio recordings, thousands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians, listened raptly to the Americans, who were presented as experts on homosexuality. The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” whose goal is “to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”
Now the three Americans are finding themselves on the defensive, saying they had no intention of helping stoke the kind of anger that could lead to what came next: a bill to impose a death sentence for homosexual behavior.
One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.
Donor countries, including the United States, are demanding that Uganda’s government drop the proposed law, saying it violates human rights, though Uganda’s minister of ethics and integrity (who previously tried to ban miniskirts) recently said, “Homosexuals can forget about human rights.”
The Ugandan government, facing the prospect of losing millions in foreign aid, is now indicating that it will back down, slightly, and change the death penalty provision to life in prison for some homosexuals. But the battle is far from over.
Instead, Uganda seems to have become a far-flung front line in the American culture wars, with American groups on both sides, the Christian right and gay activists, pouring in support and money as they get involved in the broader debate over homosexuality in Africa.
“It’s a fight for their lives,” said Mai Kiang, a director at the Astraea Lesbian Foundation for Justice, a New York-based group that has channeled nearly $75,000 to Ugandan gay rights activists and expects that amount to grow.
The three Americans who spoke at the conference — Scott Lively, a missionary who has written several books against homosexuality, including “7 Steps to Recruit-Proof Your Child”; Caleb Lee Brundidge, a self-described former gay man who leads “healing seminars”; and Don Schmierer, a board member ofExodus International, whose mission is “mobilizing the body of Christ to minister grace and truth to a world impacted by homosexuality” — are now trying to distance themselves from the bill.
“I feel duped,” Mr. Schmierer said, arguing that he had been invited to speak on “parenting skills” for families with gay children. He acknowledged telling audiences how homosexuals could be converted into heterosexuals, but he said he had no idea some Ugandans were contemplating the death penalty for homosexuality.
“That’s horrible, absolutely horrible,” he said. “Some of the nicest people I have ever met are gay people.”
Mr. Lively and Mr. Brundidge have made similar remarks in interviews or statements issued by their organizations. But the Ugandan organizers of the conference admit helping draft the bill, and Mr. Lively has acknowledged meeting with Ugandan lawmakers to discuss it. He even wrote on his blog in March that someone had likened their campaign to “a nuclear bomb against the gay agenda in Uganda.” Later, when confronted with criticism, Mr. Lively said he was very disappointed that the legislation was so harsh.
Human rights advocates in Uganda say the visit by the three Americans helped set in motion what could be a very dangerous cycle. Gay Ugandans already describe a world of beatings, blackmail, death threats like “Die Sodomite!” scrawled on their homes, constant harassment and even so-called correctional rape.
“Now we really have to go undercover,” said Stosh Mugisha, a gay rights activist who said she was pinned down in a guava orchard and raped by a farmhand who wanted to cure her of her attraction to girls. She said that she was impregnated and infected with H.I.V., but that her grandmother’s reaction was simply, “ ‘You are too stubborn.’ ”
Despite such attacks, many gay men and lesbians here said things had been getting better for them before the bill, at least enough to hold news conferences and publicly advocate for their rights. Now they worry that the bill could encourage lynchings. Already, mobs beat people to death for infractions as minor as stealing shoes.
“What these people have done is set the fire they can’t quench,” said the Rev. Kapya Kaoma, a Zambian who went undercover for six months to chronicle the relationship between the African anti-homosexual movement and American evangelicals.
Mr. Kaoma was at the conference and said that the three Americans “underestimated the homophobia in Uganda” and “what it means to Africans when you speak about a certain group trying to destroy their children and their families.”
“When you speak like that,” he said, “Africans will fight to the death.”
Uganda is an exceptionally lush, mostly rural country where conservative Christian groups wield enormous influence. This is, after all, the land of proposed virginity scholarships, songs about Jesus playing in the airport, “Uganda is Blessed” bumper stickers on Parliament office doors and a suggestion by the president’s wife that a virginity census could be a way to fight AIDS.
During the Bush administration, American officials praised Uganda’s family-values policies and steered millions of dollars into abstinence programs.
Uganda has also become a magnet for American evangelical groups. Some of the best known Christian personalities have recently passed through here, often bringing with them anti-homosexuality messages, including the Rev.Rick Warren, who visited in 2008 and has compared homosexuality to pedophilia. (Mr. Warren recently condemned the anti-homosexuality bill, seeking to correct what he called“lies and errors and false reports”that he played a role in it.)
Many Africans view homosexuality as an immoral Western import, and the continent is full of harsh homophobic laws. In northern Nigeria, gay men can face death by stoning. Beyond Africa, a handful of Muslim countries, like Iran and Yemen, also have the death penalty for homosexuals. But many Ugandans said they thought that was going too far. A few even spoke out in support of gay people.
“I can defend them,” said Haj Medih, a Muslim taxi driver with many homosexual customers. “But I fear the what? The police, the government. They can arrest you and put you in the safe house, and for me, I don’t have any lawyer who can help me.”
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The Christian Onslaught
by satinka in*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.
i have been wondering things like:.
hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.
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Satinka, Post #256:"Thanks for sharing the video. It's insane. ...and in the name of god. Do you suppose all the Tea Partiers believe this?"
I'm sure that a substantial number of them have Dominionist/Theocratic leanings. I won't say all because there's likely to be a (limited) range of thoughts among Tea Partiers. There's even a range of thought within Dominionists. The Moderates want Old Testament Law (not the rituals though). There is dissent however amongst as to whether or not that should include slavery.
Now back to the Tea Partiers. As in any society, you do not need all or even a majority to exert your will. Hitler won a fair election with 40 some percent of the vote. I believe that under socially distressful circumstances Dominionism will get a foot hold amongst Fundamentalist Christians (They're not a denomination per se but are an influence amongst Fundangelicals). This will happen at the same time that Fundamentalists will get a foot hold on this nation. Fundamentalism and other forms of extreme ideologies always grow during economically impoverished and/or socially disrupted conditions.
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The Christian Onslaught
by satinka in*sigh* i have been noticing lately there are a number of groups of "christians" signing up as members of this forum, with the obvious agenda of gaining converts for their own cult-like religions.
i have been wondering things like:.
hmmm...maybe i'll try ignoring them.. thank you simon for the space to vent.. satinka.
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Satinka;
Post #253:
"Are you saying they think there are not enough Christians in the world? What would happen if they killed off all the non-Christians...then to whom would they preach?"
Imperialism, in its many forms is about maximizing the number of people in your religion; the amount of territory in your empire; or the amount of revenue for you corporation (not simply by selling more but by absorbing and eliminating the competition). Dominion Christianity, the most virulent form of Fundamentalism, actually advocates Old Testament Law based Theocracy with the conversion of this nation (See also , then the world to their Christianity. Non-Christians would either be severely repressed or executed (depending on whether they're moderates or hardliners).
Maintaining a steady number of non-members to preach to is not the goal of any expansionistic organization. They simply want to maximize, to the greatest degree possible, their membership.
By the way, Sarah Palin and her husband are Dominionists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sixDDLSN46s
Terra Incognita:Why does anyone think he is more special than others?
Satinka: "Not everyone thinks they are more special than someone else. This appears to be a phenomenon peculiar to religious fanatics."
My apologies; I made a mistake in wording. It should read "Why do some people think they are more special than others?". I was trying to equate their mentality with that of everyone else who thinks they're mosre special than others; even if they're not religious. Yes, fundamentalist religions are the poster children for such an attitude, but it's a widespread phenomenom amongst political and economic ideologues.
"Thanks for spending all that time explaining your strategies and reasonings. It's wa-a-a-a-y helpful to hear."
You're most welcome, Satinka.
Satinka, Post #256: